UPDATE: Michele Bachmann Places Sixth in Iowa Caucuses
Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann took home just 5 percent of the Iowa vote Tuesday night despite a last-minute push for votes in her hometown and at the UNI-Dome in Cedar Falls.
UPDATED 11:22 p.m. — DES MOINES—Michele Bachmann may have come in sixth place in the Iowa Caucuses Tuesday night, but you wouldn't have guessed it from her non-concession speech.
With about 100 supporters at the West Des Moines Marriott, Bachmann was introduced as "the next president of the United States."
What her campaign lacked in support it made up in moxie.
Though she finished sixth—just ahead of John Huntsman, and effectively last place among the major candidates campaigning in Iowa—she showed no signs of giving up as she was surrounded at the podium by members of her family, including her mother and husband, children and foster children.
"Right here is the real, real deal," said Iowa State Sen. Brad Zaun as he introduced the diminutive candidate. "This is what we need in this country. This lady here, pound for pound, is the toughest person in Washington D.C."
If pundits were expecting her to suspend her campaign, she didn't reward them.
"The people of Iowa have spoken and they have written the very first chapter in this long journey to take our country back from Barack Obama, ... The people of Iowa who chose tonight. It wasn’t the pundits. It wasn’t the media."
But experts, such as Dante Scala, professor of political science at the University of New Hampshire (where the candidates travel next, for the Jan. 10 primary vote), said Bachmann's chances at the White House are all but gone.
"Gosh, you finish last among those who are competing in your own state?" he asked rhetorically. "She'll end with maybe 6,000 votes out of some 100,000 cast. If you can win only 5 percent in your self-avowed home state, you're done."
Bachmann said the pundits and media will attempt to pick a nominee based on tonight's results. "I prefer to let the people of the country decide who will represent us," she said.
"Barack Obama will be …" Bachmann shouted.
"A one-term president," supporters bellowed in response.
She closed the evening by thanking "the God of our fathers."
"God bless you," she said. "God bless the United States of America."
With reporting from Iowa Patch's Beth Dalbey in Des Moines.
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UPDATED, 10:38 p.m. — Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann took sixth place in the Iowa Caucuses Tuesday night, with 5 percent of the vote.
Bachmann failed to carry even Black Hawk County, home of her birthplace, Waterloo, despite a last-minute push for votes at the UNI-Dome in neighboring Cedar Falls up to the time the caucuses began.
The Cedar Rapids Gazette was reporting that with fewer than 5 percent of the vote remaining, the race was a dead heat between Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, each with 25 percent of the vote, trailed by Ron Paul, who collected 21 percent. Newt Gingrich finished fourth with 13 percent.
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UPDATED, 9:49 p.m. — Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann failed to place in the top four of her hometown of Waterloo-Cedar Falls in the Black Hawk County Republican Caucus Tuesday night.
As of 9:45 p.m., with more than two thirds of the state's precincts reporting, the Cedar Rapids Gazette was reporting that Bachmann was bracing for a last-place finish despite her earlier strong showing in the Iowa Straw Poll in August. Bachmann was trailing all other candidates with roughly 5 percent of the vote.
In Black Hawk County, where Bachmann was campaigning heavily up to the start of the caucuses Tuesday night, Ron Paul won the night with 24 percent of the vote. Mitt Romney came in second with 23 percent of the vote, followed by Rick Santorum, with 21 percent of the vote. Newt Gingrich, whose final campaign stop was also Cedar Falls, collected 16 percent of the vote.
About an hour after the caucuses began, media began filling Bachmann's headquarters in Des Moines. There were a few supporters milling around, looking unhappy.
Ron Saur, a retired postal worker from Grimes, has been a Michele Bachmann supporter since she announced her campaign, drawn by her strident messages on immigration and her calls to repeal both Dodd-Frank and what President Barack Obama’s opponents routinely call “Obamacare.”
“I like the way she stands up for herself,” Saur said. “She’s not afraid to speak her own words.”
Saur expressed hope that the Minnesota congresswoman can remain in the race.
“She’s saying she will stay in,” he said, shaking his head. “My personal feeling is that if she could finish in the top four, she could stay in.”
Iowa State Sen. Brad Zaun, who became Bachmann’s Iowa chairman after Kent Sorenson defected last week to the Ron Paul campaign, said that despite Bachmann’s apparent sixth-place finish, she’s still in the race.
“It’s a disappointing night, but this is just one state,” he said. “We will have to see. It’s all rumors that she’s canceling South Carolina. I’m on the inside, and I spent all day with Michele. Until I am told something different, I assume she’s going forward.”
Bachmann is en route from Waterloo, her hometown, and is expected to arrive about 10 o’clock.
“She’s worked hard,” Zaun said. “She’s the hardest working presidential candidate in the race. She did 99 counties in 10 days, and I was there for half of that.”
“She’s a fighter. I am not happy about the way it’s turned out,” Zaun said. “We won the Straw Poll, so tonight is a big disappointment.”
JoEllen Arthur of Des Moines was surprised that Bachmann didn’t do better in the caucuses after she tied to win Precinct 81 in Des Moines.
“I’ve liked her since the beginning,” Arthur said. “She strong on foreign policy, and wants to be tough. She has confidence. She wants to balance the budget.”
(With Iowa Patch's Beth Dalbey reporting from Des Moines).
7:30 p.m. — CEDAR FALLS, IA—Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann ended her Iowa Campaign in the city she was born Tuesday night, asking Iowa Caucus goers to support her conservative agenda and elect her as their choice for Republican nominee for president.
Bachmann, who was born in the neighboring city of Waterloo, was one of only two presidential candidates to end their stumping in Cedar Falls at the University of Northern Iowa UNI-Dome. Newt Gingrich also made an impassioned plea to the caucus voters just prior to their start at 7 p.m.
An estimated 5,000 Republican voters turned out for the caucuses in Cedar Falls Tuesday night, according to Black Hawk County Republican Party Chairman Mac McDonald. And by most accounts Bachmann met them all—shaking hands, signing autographs, and walking from precinct caucus to precinct caucus.
Unlike the rest of Iowa, the Black Hawk County Republicans all caucus in one central location, divided by simple curtains. Most Iowa precincts caucus privately in locations such as churches and school gymnasiums. The UNI-Dome is the athletic center for the University of Northern Iowa.
Prior to the start of the caucuses, both Gingrich and Bachmann each were given four minutes to address the Black Hawk County voters before each respectively worked the room.
Bachmann told voters that she was the only "true core conservative" and that her goal was to be the "best president the United States of America has ever had."
"We need to have someone who is in the image and likeness of a Ronald Reagan and a Margaret Thatcher who will stand up and take it to Barack Obama," Bachmann said. "In the last debate in Iowa, I took it to Ron Paul on the issue of allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon. That's the same kind of fearlessness I'll use in the debates with Barack Obama."
Bachmann continued to shake hands and sign autographs until well after the caucuses began in earnest, leaving for her Des Moines campaign headquarters at about 7:30 p.m., telling supporters as she left, "This is your chance to vote for a strong Iowa woman!"
Mike Schoemer
10:00 pm on Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Update: National Public Radio reporting Bachmann is currently bringing in about 5 percent of the vote, and is NOT winning any single county in Iowa. Is it over?
Paul
10:33 pm on Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Should be over.
Paul
10:40 pm on Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Listening to Bachmann on TV now. Bunch of soundbites strung together moronically.
More venom, LIES and hate directed against Barack Obama.
HEY MICHELE - listen up, Barack will win re-election in 2012 by a LANDSLIDE.
Get used to it. Leave the country now. We won't miss YOU and your LIES.
What you call "Obamacare" is now, and will always be the LAW OF THE LAND.
Get used to it, Micky, it's the truth.
Bye bye Michele, your campaign was nothing but hate, lies and distortion. Bye bye.
D. Knutson
7:50 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
More venom? That would be you Paul. How about looking into anger management classes.
Bachmann has a press conference at 11am, probably to drop out, so that'll make you feel better, but I'm wondering who you'll be attacking next?
Paul
10:10 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Bachmann's venom is pointed at a duly elected POTUS.
I'm not going to apologize for finding her complete lack of respect for the office totally disgusting, because it is.
Paul
10:42 pm on Tuesday, January 3, 2012
Bachmann rode the tea leaves of the Tea Party pretty high in 2011, only to ride it down to a crash in 2012. The Tea Party and Michele's political career are finished, fini, over.
Her morals are bad, and she constantly lies. She has no place in politics in a free USA.
Paul
10:13 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
You go up with the Tea Party, you go down with it. Too bad. Bye bye, Micky.
Genuinely Curious
7:15 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
I'm no fan of Bachmann...and with her not running for re-election here in CD-6, I think it's time she sails off in to the sunset...she might challenge Klobuchar in '14, but I can't fathom how she wins a statewide election...anyway...Patch, your headline is incorrect - she DID NOT place last. She finished ahead of Huntsman (who, if the GOP had a shread of foresight and smarts would nominate...he is a solid candidate), "No Preference", "Other", and Cain. So, she finished near last - Huntsman was, and is, still running and he finished last out of the "remaining candidates" - just thought that should be cleared up. Thanks for all your hard work.
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/
Paul
10:10 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Huntsman didn't run in Iowa, so Bachmann was in last place.
Genuinely Curious
7:17 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Whoops, sorry...not Klobuchar (unless she plans on challenging her next year, but I doubt that) - Franken in '14. Again, he took a lot of heat from the GOP early on...but really, he has done a fine job and I don't see Bachmann unseating him.
D. Knutson
7:43 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Franken has done a fine job?
Really?
What has he done other than make goofy statements and fall sleep during sessions?
Do you realize how much Minnesota gets laughed at around the country for their choice in wacko politicians like Ventura, Dayton, Franken, Wellstone, Eliason?
Franken and fine job don't belong in the same sentence.
Edward
8:06 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Franken has surprised the heck out of me. He's doing real work in Congress. The Franken amendment, to clean up the financial system's rating agencies after the collapse, was brilliant.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/franken-amendment-pass-64-35-dorgan
Turns out the guy is incredibly bright. He's an expert on net neutrality, and fighting for free speech rights in the digital space.
Also, his constituent service and staff competence run rings around Bachmann's pathetic office. When you call Franken's office you get prompt service and answers to questions, not the brush off from this week's unpaid intern (who is about to quit) that you get from Bachmann's "staff".
You might not like his ideology, but he's damn bright, articulate, hard working, and a straight shooter, as well as dedicated to providing excellent service to constituents.
I wasn't sure Franken would be a good rep, but he's proving to be a surprise . . . a very pleasant one. Unlike Bachmann, who spends her time lying and ranting for personal gain, Franken quietly does real work that benefits the people and moves the nation in the right direction. He's my kind of rep.
D. Knutson
8:53 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Thanks Renee.... thanks for the liberal update and I'm comforted by the fact you wouldn't pass on a chance to take a shot at Bachmann, at least you're consistent.
A financial rating system is his big thing? Obama doesn't think that's a big deal, Barry-O let our rating drop while he stood by and watched. Once again you've been fooled into believing that more rules will make it all better.
Besides, my question was for "Curious" because he/she made the "he's doing a fine job" comment.
Maybe his next big thing will be to drain the swamp..... Oh wait, Pelosi already took that one on.... If Franken does nothing but show up for sessions and take a nap I'm good with that, he can't make us look like bigger fools than most of the country already thinks we are.....
Markus
9:55 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
I disagree with Franken on virtually every position, but he did have the conviction to change his vote on the NDAA bill. I'll give him credit for that. Now when I'm arrested and detained indefinitely for being a "terrorist", at least he can't be blamed.
It's pretty scary when a large majority in the Senate and the President unabashedly trash the sixth amendment and you don't even hear about it on the MSM.
D. Knutson
10:51 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Polly
Making up a name? Hardly.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/03/22/when-barry-became-barack.html
You must have missed that because you were too busy taking shots at Bachmann. Maybe the Patch agenda is over and you'll stop the cheap shot name calling.
Markus
8:32 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Paul,
Calling Bachmann "Micky" doesn't show a lack of respect?
I looked at the S&P downgrade report. Nothing in there about the Tea Party.
http://www.standardandpoors.com/servlet/BlobServer?blobheadername3=MDT-Type&blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3DUS_Downgraded_AA%2B.pdf&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobheadername1=content-type&blobwhere=1243942957443&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8
D. Knutson
9:11 am on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Well Polly, you are perfect, two statements, two claims, and two wrong.
And you call me a liar?
Everyone knows when you live in a glass house not to throw rocks, but some don't, you know the type. They complain that everything wrong is somebody else's fault, and they just sit around and run everyone down that doesn't have the same twisted viewpoint.
BTW - no incumbent President has ever been re-elected with approval ratings as low as Obama
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/11/29/obamas-job-approval-drops-below-carters
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151106/obama-november-approval-weak-historical-perspective.aspx
Paul
6:01 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
DEEK!!!
Quote all the historical references you want, Obama IS going to win be a landslide in 2012, regardless of what US News and Gallup say about historical races. That past history is irrelevant, and Election Day is 10 months away.
Paul
6:11 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Markus Bachmann,
You're incorrect. The reason for the downgrade was the Republican House's failure to act responsibly. Cantor, Boehner, Bachmann and their minions caused the downgrade - and then, like the SPINELESS LIARS that they all are, they blamed it on Obama........when it was their destructive act!!
The hypocrasy of these guys (and a gal) is beyond the pale.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/06/s-p-downgrade-how-the-ratings-agency-is-now-partnering-with-the-tea-party.html
Deek,
So I'm right and YOU are the liar.....AGAIN!!!
D. Knutson
7:06 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
So it looks like we are all to believe the gospel according to Paul... ??
So the Republicans, mostly the Tea Party screwed everything up, and it's all their fault, accord to Paul the Liberal Disciple, the problem with your gospel is it does not follow the common sense lines. You have your head in the sand.
You see Paul, if it needs to be explained to you.... at a time when the economy and jobs were the main issues needing attention, the democratic controlled congressional offices, with a democratic President directing them, wasted time on a health care plan that the courts will throw out, and did nothing else.
That's why the republicans got control of the house. Deal with it, your liberal idiots made a major mistake. They could have done whatever they wanted but they sat on their butts and did nothing but blame Bush.
You are a real clown Paul, you cite other sites as being in line with the gospel according to Paul, but when anyone else uses an article, it's old and outdated, or is a bunch of crap according to you.
We're okay either way you want to go Polly Boy, just pick one way and stop flip flopping...
Markus
8:58 am on Friday, January 6, 2012
Paul,
If anyone thought you had any credibility here, you've completely removed all doubt with your ridiculous statements in this thread. You should read what you've written. You sound like a first grader on the playground. Grow up and put on your big boy pants and maybe we'll consider taking you seriously.
You can link to all the obscure Keynesian apologists you want to but that will not bolster your stupid arguments one iota. Our economic woes are due to a half century of failed policies on both sides of the political spectrum. If anything the Tea Party movement and Ron Paul's influence on monetary and foreign policy brought to light the extreme implications of overspending and military adventurism and borrowing and printing money to cover it.
Your blind love affair with Obama, who will probably go down as one of the worst presidents in history, is distorting your ability to see the truth. Take off the rose-colored glasses and put on your trifocals so you can actually see what your beloved president is trying to do. Most recently he signed the NDAA bill authorizing the government to detain U.S. citizens indefinitely with no trial. Even Al Franken saw the light on that extreme trashing of the sixth amendment and voted against it. But you just apathetically continue to support this guy?
Markus
7:28 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Paul,
You wrote this. "The reason for the downgrade was the Republican House's failure to act responsibly."
What did or didn't they do that was a failure to act responsibly?
Paul
10:18 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Gee, Markus, you don't remember the Debt Ceiling Crisis they created this summer that could have blown the economy to bits? Really, you don't remember that? Were you sleeping?
Talk about uncertainty and screwing up business. That was totally a Republican/Tea Party crisis that shook the confidence of Wall Street and consumers. The uncertainty almost put us into a recession? You really don't remember that? Were you on vacation, or with Michele in a drug-induced coma?
Markus
11:13 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
The debt ceiling "crisis" was not the crisis. The debt is the crisis. Regardless of what your hero Paul Krugman says(another Keynesian apologist you love to link to), we cannot continue to borrow and devalue the currency to fund the welfare/warfare/entitlement state. It will come to an end. We could end it on our terms, but your beloved president and most of the politicians who are too lazy, politically motivated and corrupt to make any substantive changes refuse to do so.
Raising the debt limit was a huge mistake, but politicians always do what is immediately expedient. They never do what is good for the long term. I don't care how many millions of jobs are created, we cannot grow our way out of this mess. We must reduce spending now. We can cut 35% of federal spending simply by returning to 2006 budget levels and balance the budget. That's what should have happened when we had the so-called crisis.
The "have your cake and eat it too" crowd is going to have to make some tough choices and soon. Ron Paul is the only Republican candidate offering any real reform. All the others only want to tinker around the edges. We would be wise to listen to what he has to say.
Al Anderson
9:22 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Mike Schoemer -- I can only hope that once Michele drops out of the presidential race (which will be happening soon) - that this banal Bachmann Bash column stops - as you no longer would have the premise for why you said it was being done.
Mike Schoemer
11:23 am on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Al - We will continue to update the public about Rep. Bachmann's work for the Sixth District. How that is done will, no doubt, change after her campaign for president has ceased and the fallout is over. We will probably take our cue from the coverage our friends around the Twin Cities and how they're keeping tabs on their Representatives in Congress, perhaps with a weekly wrap-up. I'm sure Bachmann's profile in the news media will remain high, and we still intend to share those national stories with our local audience through aggregation.
Al Anderson
1:52 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Mike
So -- does that mean you'll expand the "coverage" to include our US Senators? After all - the 6th district votes for US Senator as well - and the policies/laws that they advocate for affect every voter in the 6th?
Al Anderson
2:00 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Also -- if you want to provide some truly newsworthy information. How about coverage on the redistricting that is in process? That is an issue more meaningful than your Bachmann Bash.
D. Knutson
5:22 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Al
That topic has been brought up in the past, they hide behind a shallow excuse that this is a micro site and targeted to the local area. They will report on the senators if they are in the local area...... Everybody knows there is a biased agenda in place....
Paul
10:19 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Mike - You wrote this:
"We will continue to update the public about Rep. Bachmann's work for the Sixth District."
Trouble is, she's done no work for the district, so there will be nothing to report on.
Touche!!
CC
1:47 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
I am not sure what work you are referring to concerning Bachmann. She's been MIA for the past 6 months while gallivanting across Iowa while we pay her salary. Being the good christian she professes, she should return our money.
Dave Anderson
4:31 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Al you should know that the Patch just removed a post I had here that Mike is essentially only is doing what his bosses wanted him to do -- the Patch is owned by AOL and the news content is determined by the left wing Huffington Post. So how is that for freedom of Speech---just remove it when you don't like the truth
Paul
10:19 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
More lies from you? Davea?
Mike Schoemer
4:36 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
Davea - That is not the truth. Our news content is determined by each local editor. Huffington Post has nothing to do with our content. We are separate entities.
Bill
5:55 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
"Michelle Bachmann will be …" the people of Iowa shouted.
"A ZERO term president," supporters bellowed in response.
Paul
10:20 pm on Wednesday, January 4, 2012
I'm glad we don't have to listen to her stupid chants anymore.
Dave Anderson
12:22 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Mike sorry I did not get back to you yesterday but I am thankful you did not at least erase my last post. Below I have several links to other internet postings that discuss the clear connection between the Huffington Post and the Patch network. These include Bloomberg Business, and two which have decidedly conservative slants. Your claim that news is determined locally sounds good but your absolutely biased reporting really helps validate these postings "right wing" or not. Whether you consider these sources reliable, I bet you they don't erase posts on their public forums they disagree with!
http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2011/02/07/25535/the_huffington_patch
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/may2011/tc2011055_948124.htm
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/07/patch-com-the-huffington-post-sales-secret-diamond-in-the-rough/
Mike Schoemer
12:47 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Davea - If you're interested in the inner workings of Patch, I'd encourage you to talk with your local editor in your community. Have a cup of coffee with him/her. We're very open to that. I assure you that you'll learn more that way than reading about what other people have written in regards to Patch.
Dave Anderson
1:45 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Mike thanks for your comments. I am not interested in the inner workings of the Patch. I am interested in your end product. I did question my local Patch editor about the Bachman opinion column and he told me it was actually a regional contribution--one that is shared between multiple Patchs. He said he was not involved in the piece other than running it in his local. I believe you responded to me some time ago to say that you had initiated the piece. (I apologize if that was not you but it was another local editor)
People know the Star Tribune is liberally biased just as any rational person would truly know that Fox News is not "Fair and Balanced". But I really don't think they hide that fact and everyone knows where they are coming from. It would just be refreshing for the Patch to admit their leanings, or really attempt to be balanced in their content. Your end product to date in combination with your repression of posts you don't agree with lead me to believe this will not be happening anytime soon
Paul
6:14 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
Davea,
Kind of arrogant of you to be so concerned about the Patch's reporting, and then to decline to even try to learn more about how the Patch writes its stories....wouldn't you say?
STW
7:16 pm on Thursday, January 5, 2012
If you don't like it, don't read it. Go some place else. It's not that hard.
DMJ
8:54 am on Friday, January 6, 2012
Now Bachmann! Get back to work! and give the tax payers money that you took when you were doing nothing in Congress the last 6 months. What a waste of time and money!
D. Knutson
9:40 am on Friday, January 6, 2012
No need for her to head back to work, we don't need congress.....
Barry-O is passing his own laws and going around congress by playing the "not in session card". He's playing the emperor, just like he said he would never do, and just another in a long line of broken campaign promises by Obama.
Paul
2:56 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
DEEEEK!!!
Don't need Congress?.......gee, where's THAT from? Your discredited Tea Party pals?
Re President Obama's recess appointments.........if the Republicans in Congress would give the country the up and down votes we deserve, the economy would be a lot better than the shambles that McConnell, Boehner, Cantor and Ryan have put us through with their nonsense.
Real Americans like me are going to work like heck this year to take back the House, keep the Senate Democratic and get President Obama re-elected in a LANDSLIDE.....just watch. Then we will get going on creating jobs and fixing the economy that George Bush wrecked, and Boehner has put on life support.
D. Knutson
3:57 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
PAULEEEENNNAA
So apparently if you blame the Republicans it's okay to make an end run on congress, AND break another campaign promise. Obama is nothing but a chronic liar, he's a bigger liar than you Polly.
You cry for up and down votes and blame the Republicans? How much of that red kool-aide have you drank? For two years, remember TWO YEARS, the dumocrats had control and did NOTHING...... NOTHING Polly-boy..... well actually they did what any kook would do... Blame everything on Bush. Don't you think that's getting a little old and irrelevant?
[ Real Americans like me are going to work like heck this year to take back the House, keep the Senate Democratic and get President Obama re-elected in a LANDSLIDE.....]
You are completely delusional, a real whack job!
Paul
9:46 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Deek.
Obama is not a liar, you are.
We are going to win by a landslide in 2012, Obama get 4 more years, Reid stays Senate Majority leader and Boehner loses the Speakership.
This is all going to happen, because the Reptiles have been blaming Obama for everything wrong that Bush and the Republicans did.
In your little fantasyland, the 2008 economic implosion never happened, and of course you blame it all on Obama, when he wasn't even yet the President. The fallacy of your thinking is stunning, totally stunning.
Paul
10:05 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Deeky-Boy,
We'll see who the Whack Job is pal, when Barack Obama is sworn in for a second term. I can't wait.
Dave Anderson
2:20 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Paul for you to accuse someone of being arrogant reaches the height of hypocrisy. When you made fun of me about my use of English---my second language--- in my posts, I chalked it up to your usual hate filled and childish rants. But maybe it really does goes to the same insecurities related to you Bachman stalking issues. By the way how many times have the Patch editors deleted one of your posts because they don't agree with your message?
Paul
2:50 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
I hold no hate towards anyone. Your comments were arrogant.......I was simply pointing out that fact.
D. Knutson
3:04 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
I have yet to find the so called "facts" Paul claims make Davea arrogant. Maybe Paul you got confused (again) between what a fact is and what a figment is.....
Paul
3:04 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Davea,
PS - You espouse some pretty radical Republican views for someone who claims that English is his second language.
Also, from looking at your writing, the sentence structure is good and very coloquial....so I'm thinking you're a native English speaker.
First I've heard of this "Whaaaa!! It's my second language" bit ......are we supposed to actually believe it?
Markus
7:45 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Definitions from Paul's dictionary.
Fact /fakt/ 1. Something I really want to be true no matter how utopian and illogical it is. 2. Whatever Obama says. 3. Whatever Huffington Post reports. 4. A failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid but hopefully will somehow make my point anyway.
Lie /li/ 1. Someone else's opinion. 2. Whatever Michele Bachmann says. 3. Whatever Fox News reports. 4. A thing that is indisputably the case but makes me look bad.
Paul
9:47 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Markus Bachmann,
That first one under Fact, applies to you in spades.
Paul
10:02 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Hey Deek, Davea and Markus Bachmann,
For all of your blather on Obama and jobs, here are the true, unvarnished facts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/opinion/bain-barack-and-jobs.html?src=me&ref=general
These prove Obama's policies have worked better than any Republican alternative.
Absolutely prove it. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. But you guys won't believe it, because all you know how to do, like Bachmann, is blame and blame and blame Obama. You're all truly psychotic.
Markus
11:49 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
I checked and I haven't been blathering about jobs.
Regarding your link, Keynesian apologist extraordinaire Paul Krugman has absolutely no credibility to those with critical thinking skills. The only thing this proves is that Krugman is adept at twisting facts in an attempt to support his wildly liberal idea of the way things ought to be.
Paul
10:10 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
I'm starting to think that Davea, D. Knutson and Markus are the same guy. They all sound and think the same.
Isn't it kinda dishonest to "play here" under 3 names, when you're really the same guy?
D. Knutson
9:10 am on Saturday, January 7, 2012
POLLY-BOY
Nothing like your patented approach when you got nothing, attack the other people in a personal way, the liberal defense when you have no reasonable comeback with factual basis. You lie, you're a liar, that is not the truth, here are the facts (the gospel according to Paul) this is what's going to happen, and so on...
Another Left Wing tactic is diversion, "let's change the subject".
Let's talk about something completely off topic and irrelevant to the current points and not respond to what has been stated by others. In fact, most of the time you completely ignore the things you can't refute, and go off on some topic not being discussed.
This time you out did yourself; the 3 of us are the same person? Anyone with half a brain can see our writing styles differ, the only thing we have in common is our core values.
Polly, do you have aluminum foil in your baseball cap so the aliens can't scan your pea brain?
Paul
10:29 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Barack Obama says taxes are lower for middle class today than when he took office
This is a true fact, for Markus and Davea who are so interested in facts.....they won't like this one, because it PROVES Obama is doing the right thing for the Country - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/dec/01/barack-obama/obama-says-taxes-lower-middle-class/
D. Knutson
11:07 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Okay Paulina, we'll do the Burger King thing and let you have it your way....
I'll reference the same site that you say proves Obama is doing the right things....
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/
So which is it?
Either you and Obama were liars before your previous post, just like everybody here knows, or you are a bold face liar now and Obama is not a man of his words....
So which is it?
Markus
11:37 pm on Friday, January 6, 2012
Mostly gimmicks, particularly the FICA tax reduction. Is anyone going to take a reduction in their social security payments? The 17 small business tax "cuts" apply to very few. A step in the right direction, but a real tax cut would be a cut in the marginal income tax rates that would affect everybody. Also repealing the withholding requirement would also be a real eye-opener. If every employee had to write a check to Sam on April 15, there would be a tax revolt.
Paul
10:14 pm on Sunday, January 8, 2012
DeektheDeeksterDEEKaRAMA,
You're pretty good at posting links, arentja, Palie?
The point I made, and is true is that during the Obama administration, more jobs were created than during 8 years of your hero, George Bush. So you are the liar Pal - telling total unadulterated lies.
Paul
10:21 pm on Sunday, January 8, 2012
Perhaps the last parody of Bachmann on SNL....we won't have Dick Nixon, or Michele Bachmann to kick around any more.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/snls-michele-bachmann-explains-why-she-dropped-out-and-finally-gets-to-blink/
Markus
8:35 am on Monday, January 9, 2012
"Harvard economist Martin Feldstein's calculation that each job created by President Obama's American Jobs Act would cost taxpayers about $200,000"
Timothy Geithner thinks $200k per job created is a good deal for taxpayers. Paul, do you think that's a good deal?
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/geithner-good-chance-jobs-act-pass/story?id=14609951#.Twr503reu9s
Paul
10:06 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
What axe is Feldstein trying to grind with that bogus statistic? Seems like nonsense, doesn't it?
Markus
9:34 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
It's not a bogus statistic, in fact Geithner acknowledged it would cost that much but thought it was a good deal. Only in Washington does that type of logic get any traction. You want some help pulling your head out of the sand?
Dave Anderson
4:26 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
Paul, I can't believe you could actually use someone like Paul Krugman to prove one of you baseless points. Do you remember that it was Krugman who observed the 10 year anniversary of 9/11 by blaming people like Rudi Gulianni for what occurred. Have you no shame you little man? Debating you is no challenge anymore!. Where is my friend Renee?
Paul
10:10 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Davea, Krugman is a serious journalist and a clear thinker. The facts he quotes are real. Of course, you just want to deny and lie about it......what ELSE is niew?
Markus
9:50 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
Paul,
You call yourself a capitalist, yet worship at the altar of capitalist-hater Krugman. You can't be a capitalist and a socialist at the same time. John Maynard Keynes was a Fabian Socialist. Krugman, an avowed Keynesian, is a de facto Fabian Socialist. Since you're an advocate for Krugman that makes you a de facto Fabian Socialist. Why don't you just admit it to us and to yourself?
D. Knutson
10:04 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
I can already imagine what the response from Paul is going to be.....
"you guys are liars, you are delusional, you are pathological liars, you don't have the facts"...... Or something like that, it's the patented Paul comeback..... :-)
Markus
11:58 am on Wednesday, January 11, 2012
@ D. Knutson, Paul has exhausted the liberal debate tactics here and has absolutely no rational arguments to support his "centrist" and "capitalist" ideas, so he has to resort to name calling. At least one thing should be clear to any reader with a modicom of critical thinking skills; socialist ideas are easily refuted with logic and historical data. Liberalism only survives because of emotion, laziness, corruption and greed. Once you take those out of the equation, it's easy to see personal liberty and freedom to pursue happiness is what makes a nation successful and prosperous
Dave Anderson
4:31 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
By the way I want everyone to know that I received an email form the Woodbury Patch editor telling me that he was not the one who deleted by post about the connection between the Patch and the Huffington post. I believe him. He may not agree with what I said but he's not repressing my right to say it. I wonder who with editorial control could have done this? Maybe someone in this string of posts?
Shawn Hogendorf
5:07 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
I deleted it, Davea. I didn't remove the comment because I don't agree with you, it was a response to the comments following your "connection." I have posted on my site numerous times that I will delete personal attacks on users and contributors. In my judgment your comment crossed the line, so that's what I did.
D. Knutson
5:27 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
Davea
One editor is okay with it and one is not?
Sounds more like a personal opinion to me.
It's interesting with all the negative jabs at Bachmann, plus the name calling, personal attacks, and accusations by posters that those posts stick, but when you strike a nerve at home, bingo.... It's gone.
I'm just sayin.......
Shawn Hogendorf
5:52 pm on Monday, January 9, 2012
@D. Knutson: It was a judgment call. That's what I said. I'm not sure if Kris saw davea's comment before I deleted it, and truth be told, I didn't ask him if he was OK with it or not. Each editor runs their site how they see fit. I chose to delete that particular comment.
That said, I didn't delete any other comment in which davea drew his conclusions about the relationship between Patch and HuffPo, because he didn't take shots at a contributor in the process. I don't agree with him, but I didn't delete his comment because of it. I deleted the comment that attacked a contributor.
Dave Anderson
5:40 pm on Tuesday, January 10, 2012
Shawn, I appreciate you finally admitting to deleting my post . I do not have exactly what I wrote but it was something like: "Mike is doing exactly what he is being paid to do . Please remember that the Patch is owned by AOL and the left wing Huffington Post who directs all news contents for AOL. So Mike should be getting a raise" I said nothing stronger than this but now ts my word against yours because you went and deleted a post based on your flimsy "judgement". Do you honestly think these comments constitute is a personal attack when there are much more personal comments (from me included) on here. Either you don't read you own site or just can't take criticism on behalf of the Patch. Your judgement biased at best and repressive at worst.
D. Knutson
11:26 am on Saturday, April 28, 2012
Bachmann Daily Beat???
Months back a lot of people felt the Patch was left leaning politically charged media source, but the Editors and contributors were always quick to defend that they were just reporting other medias information, as a "consolidator" of the various articles.
It was stated by people that once Bachmann was out of the race, yes most people knew she wouldn't last, that the liberal attacks would disappear, it looks like they were correct.
On January 5, 2012, Zac Farber posted the following;
Editor's Note: With Bachmann's presidential campaign ended, the Bachmann Beat will continue to run daily through the end of the week before switching to a Monday-only schedule @ http://stillwater.patch.com/articles/bachmann-beat-looking-at-a-failed-campaign#photo-8828171
February 21st is the last time the "Bachmann Beat" was posted on a Monday, which is just further proof of the Huffington Post owned Patch and their attacks on Conservatives', especially Conservative Women, and their biased approaches.
It was posted a long time ago, that once Bachmann was out of the race, she would not be an everyday target by the left. After 8 weeks with no Monday update, I think we all have proof of the political agenda....
Shawn Hogendorf
11:54 am on Saturday, April 28, 2012
"Attacks on conservatives, especially conservative women and their biased approach." Give me a break. I have never attacked conservatives, conservative women or taken a biased approach to reporting politics. I have written about Bachmann several times in the last eight weeks, just not under the Bachmann Beat headline.